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haha, I just use this DC as contingency so I haven't evaluated DCs in detail
Bro vr2xtd is quite pro on this, hope he will help later in this thread :)
see his advise in this post too :)
http://www.hkml.net/Discuz/viewthread.php?tid=104083&extra=&page=3





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I am flattered

I use DC (still using 3MP) for snapshots so I have one small DC on each of my backpack and briefcase all the time.  The last time I purchased photographic equipment was 2 years ago, my DSLR is still a trusty Canon 300D and I using that for "serious" photo sessions (not much)    

So, I am not the one who can give any advise on the lastest DC, I am old-fashioned

I think DC, like all other consumables, is all about your taste on color, style, usage and the money in your pocket! The last one is the major issue, most important one, so I put it on the last of the list  The ALL TIME advise is to buy the highest price that you can afford.

If taking static model display is your sole usage, and by well applying the technique you'd mentioned, NO expensive equipment is needed, right?

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It's been hard for consumers nowadays, especially if you are a rookie in photography,
Don't forget, besides DC and DSLR, we have a series of Prosumer products in between.
Amongst DSLR there are several tiers, if you can afford a budget around $5000 to $6000 you can be a DSLR user, but you might need more for Lens and being attracted by high-end products later on.
Or you prefer smaller size but still quality, Prosumers might be your choice, though it's been fading out in the market, (it's still kind of "big" and cost $4000-5000)
DC are getting better and better, Canon seems quite value for money, Panasonic gives you Leica Lens, Ricoh an Leica might be a bit expensive, but gives you size of DC and a lot high quality function.
really depends how much you gonna love photography, and money in your pocket

recently I'm attracted by Canon 5D MkII, sigh.........

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Yeah!  I couldn¡¦t agree more!  It¡¦s seems that there are a lot of choice for photography newcomers, but on the other hand, things never been easier for them as they only need to choose the color & design, the features of those DC of similar price range are basically the same (thanks to the nice work done on marketing research)!  It¡¦s no problem should you choose a ¡§wrong¡¨ DC as you can always switch to a new one, like switching to a new mobile phone, I have friends changing new mobile phones every now and then, no sweat!

Buying a DSLR is another story, it not the camera that kills you, it¡¦s the lens and accessories!  You are actually investing on a photographic system.  If you have no intention to expand the DC system, at least in the near future, may be you don¡¦t need to buy a DSLR, though it¡¦s not a bad thing to have one!  It¡¦s men¡¦s toy after all!

In the old days before the digital era, you start learning photography with the basic equipment and moving up as your interest and knowledge grown, it¡¦s quite effective, at least to me!  Perhaps technology are moving too quickly and prices have fell to a level that most people can afford to buy expensive equipment at the starting point!  This jump start may be good, but not for everyone, some people may tend to ignore the basics and believe that the equipment can ¡§fill-in-the-blank¡¨ for them!

I am really happy to see someone will bring up this subject and share the basic photography techniques, it¡¦s helpful not just for amateurs, but for everyone who would like to enhance the quality of their pictures, THANKS!

My last conventional camera brought is the Canon EOS 5. Canon 5D is my ALL TIME dream DC as I can use my existing lens but it¡¦s so e-x-p-e-n-s-i-v-e!





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hence, the subject of this post might still be right.
with just a standard set of equipment of DSLR, it might not be easy to shoot some macro shot on Toy, Figure or Model as using a DC....

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mabybe you want one more light source or so

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mabybe you want one more light source or so

Agree with sunnycch if you want to overexpose the bkg with complete white.  I believe u hv such intention, right? :)





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Yes, I tried to copy what you do usually with your models on the 2nd picture.
But I always end up with either
overexposing both the background and the object, or
uneven brightness on the background if I make the background light source less intense.
Perhaps, I need to put the object further away from the background.  Now it is only about 1 foot.  And perhaps, like sunnycch suggested, put one more light source to the object from the left with a mild intensity.
Is that what you would suggest?

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