咁都比你諗度

過錯 --- 即係有做"錯"事, 有失敗..

做得好唔好... 係完成成點. 可以係完全冇錯失既成分.. 就好似"跑步", 唔係錯唔錯既問題. 一般只係快唔快既問題.  

人既長短唔係只單睇有冇過錯.

所以唔係語文上既問題.. 而係句說話背後既意思唔係咁好..

Give me a break! (有翻譯機譯做 "請給我一個裂縫")

人總會犯錯同應唔應該互相比較基本上系無一個相對關系! 所以我覺得將呢兩樣野拉埋一齊講本身就系無意義, 如果你要話人會犯錯, 簡單講法 "People make mistakes" 應該就可以! 第二句就恕我唔知點講啦, 直譯就可以話 "There is no point to compare yourself with others"

唔係太識= not sure
總會 = bound to
同埋 (dont understand the cantonese...) = together???!! with???!!!
都係係的英文 (dont understand the cantonese...)
人總係會犯錯 = it is human to err

i usually do translation works for script/ theatre play or contract from mandarin to english, my command of cantonese is so so only....hope it helps

[ 本帖最後由 seinyat 於 2009-1-12 11:09 PM 編輯 ]

You said "i usually do translation works for script/ theatre play or contract from mandarin to english, my command of cantonese is so so only...."


For the sake of discussion only, there's no such thing as translate "mandarin" to english, you can ONLY translate Chinese to English, make no mistake, if you really are the one who do the translation for movie scripts, no wonder....

[ 本帖最後由 vr2xtd 於 2009-1-12 11:41 PM 編輯 ]

actually. for movie/play script, the writing style are very different for Mandarin and Cantonese. Cantonese script is not exactly literature style writing while Mandarin is a lot closer (even it is not totally but far more closer)

One way to look at it is the subtitle on the DVD. Very often you will find the differences between Simiplied chinese and traditional chinese subtitles are not just the font styles but the wording being used are different too. Sometimes you'll find two version of traditional chinese subtitle too (one for Hong Kong and the other for Taiwan).

So I think what seinyat was saying is that his work focus with Mandarin material and not familiar with cantonese.

[ 本帖最後由 VampireA 於 2009-1-13 12:04 AM 編輯 ]

Everyone has the own talent so it is meaningless for people to compare with each other.

[ 本帖最後由 dennis13 於 2009-1-13 12:37 AM 編輯 ]

Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.  We should not compare ourselves with others.

OR (if you prefer to keep the sentence in the third person voice) (如果想保持以第三者角度寫)

Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.  One should not compare oneself with others.

上高好多位大大都寫類似嘅句子, 但好多都帶有香港人會犯嘅grammar 錯誤 (我頭腦已經聽倒o個d香港口音 )

唔係太識 - I am not sure.  I don't really know.  I am uncertain as to [this point].  
總會 - eventually
同埋 - Also, moreover, in addition, additionally
都係係的英文 <-- 你想講 "都係" ?? ==> .....as well, ....also, ....too

[ 本帖最後由 szewingyin 於 2009-1-13 12:54 AM 編輯 ]

Comparison is meaningless

你朋友錯得好離普wor, make 一定要加Ｓ！

同埋寫英文要以簡潔為好。compare 比對已有分高下的意思。無需要係後面加who is the better one

唔該哂大家先
其實上面d 中文唔係唔識果 D字

一陣間要test野
真係好緊張下

[quote]原帖由 VampireA 於 2009-1-13 12:03 AM 發表


actually. for movie/play script, the writing style are very different for Mandarin and Cantonese. Cantonese script is not exactly literature style writing while Mandarin is a lot closer (even it is not totally but far more closer)

One way to look at it is the subtitle on the DVD. Very often you will find the differences between Simiplied chinese and traditional chinese subtitles are not just the font styles but the wording being used are different too. Sometimes you'll find two version of traditional chinese subtitle too (one for Hong Kong and the other for Taiwan).

So I think what seinyat was saying is that his work focus with Mandarin material and not familiar with cantonese.[unquote]



OK! Let’s go 'deeper' on this, we can broadly say Chinese is a written language, There's ONLY one Chinese language, while Mandarin, Cantonese, 四川, 福建..... are spoken language, a dialogue  (方言), we have lots o f them, we have chosed 普通話 Putonhua  (Mandrain) as our Official Language is because in 普通話 Putonhua (Mandrain), written and spoken are the same (我寫我所講)!  Put it in this way, you basically cannot write in Cantonese, because we simple don't have a lot of those ‘Cantonese’ characters, however; we see a lot of people here wrote in Cantonese by inventing new words, there's nothing right or wrong on this as language is an ever changing thing for communication. Personally, as a Chinese, I would say to know how to write correct Chinese is important

You talk about the ‘writing style” for movie/play script.  Yes, there are specific writing styles for movie/play script, but they are not classified by the language/dialogue. A writing style is a writing style, they are the same across languages, you can ask anyone studies movie-making!

The difference between SC & TC are not just fonts, you mentioned! In certain way you are right, but when you look at the background on the introduction of SC you will see there should be no difference between TC & SC EXCEPT on the fonts, ideally! So why there are differences between TC & SC subtitles? It is because those people who wrote those scripts add in a lot of new elements, slang, new words….(especially in HK & Taiwan).  But even so, you should know the syntax are still the same between TC & SC!

I know EXACTLY what member seinyat is trying to say! However; if you put upfront that you are a professional translator so as to strengthen your saying, I will have some expectation on your works.  I am not trying to challenge anyone on anything, whatsoever, but if one uses languages to make a living, shouldn’t he/she have a better understandings on the same than those amateur like me?

[ 本帖最後由 vr2xtd 於 2009-1-13 01:11 PM 編輯 ]

...下堂考

好驚

努力!! 加油!!!

樓主師兄d睇黎要向樓上幾位英文人請教下

I think there are a lot of misunderstandings that Cantonese cannot be written down and charactors are "invented" for that purpose. Actually, a lot of words in "Cantonese" can be found in old literature and is just lost in time. Many charactors are recreated for the convenience and without searching for the correct charactors. In fact, Cantonese is one of the oldest Chinese dialects. Many of the poetry written in past are still in rhyme in Cantonese but no longer with Mandarin. The reason of Mandarin chosen as the modern offical spoken language was more a political reason than its speaker population or the complexity compared with others. And it becomes the "national" language through administrative means by the current Chinese government. Before that, it was just a one of the dialects spoken mainly by the government officals and the northern part of the China.

I think this topic is very interesting for those who wanted to know more about themselves. At the end, it is part of us and our cultural heritage.

[ 本帖最後由 VampireA 於 2009-1-13 03:41 PM 編輯 ]

Putonhua  (Mandrain) was chosen, whether or not it has political reasons behind the decision, I don't know, but one thing for certain is that it was chosen not because of its popularity, Cantonese, up to this moment, still the most popupar language in the China town all around the world.  In most Hollywood movie, Cantonese is still represents Chinese language.  

If we can turn back the clock and have Cantonese be selected as the official language,things would be much much better (for me at least),  I don't have to struggle so many years to learn Putonhua

佢可能玩我~我english 差麻~ 亦感謝各英文版友指點英文文法運用~

[ 本帖最後由 模型怪 於 2009-1-13 07:31 PM 編輯 ]

oh
多謝哂各位先
岩岩已經考左口試
開始時有少少窒
跟住開始愈講愈順暢
ok ok